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Wojtek
Pinckney (MI), United States
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Post #: 21
Post ID: 25272
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Oh stop
Now Alex , don't be a Sissy Groupie. Josh's posts here were perfectly fine and his Macondo review is perfectly valid and absolutely valuable and it's telling that you do not grasp why. The only slightly questionable thing is his conduct as a man and a guest. I can't speak for Roman , but if he is a man I think he is, that's the only beef there.Josh will pursue his interest in music , DIY audio folks will sleep sound and securely assured in their superior communal thinking, old Jews will be the only people interested in keeping the Orchestra alls going and Roman will carry his Torch. 

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anthony
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Post ID: 25273
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Visit doomed to failure
I was just trawling over at diyaudio.com (like I do) and a recently updated thread caught my eye and had these tidbits from Josh the Visitor regarding critique of Macondo/Melquiades and Romy's stated viewpoints of GSC:

Well. I disagree that digital has to be intrusive. 
I disagree that SSamps are too. 
I don’t want to see a ribbon tweeter or standard Subwoofer in my horn. 

I cant stand SET sound. It bores me to death. I need the fresh kick and dramatic punch of a dynamic SS AB amp. 

Reg. the digital i know that having all vinyl-tube chain, and plugging a really good ADDA in the chain that gives exactly 1:1 pass through, u cant hear a difference. Fact. You have to do it blind though  then everybody will fail distinguishing! I bet my *** on that. 
So everything that u “touch / eq / deform” within the 01010 part... is up to you. If this sounds bad, then u did something wrong. Likely vast majority does 

Even if it does touch a molecule, room modes, phase delay, unlinearity is by far more intrusive. Its like comparing that molecule with a galaxy.



I do not add this quote here to discredit Josh in any way nor to belittle his views/experience, but it is fairly easy to see how the visit was doomed before Josh even knocked on the door.  Just like trying to mix oil and water, it was never going to be successful.

Joshs full thread is here...http://tempuri.org/tempuri.html
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Wojtek
Pinckney (MI), United States
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The point is that visit was not a failure
And sure enough you added the quotes to sling a little bit of mud. I bet it was not stimulating to Roman and a disappointment but it was beneficial to Josh. I simply laughed when he reported lack of orgasm and my respect to Roman increased exponentially. Cheap cigars on me next time I visit Boston. 
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 24
Post ID: 25276
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That is what I call audio ballast.
 ArmAlex wrote:
Josch actually I red your previous posts a couple of times to find out your point about the sound you heard, as haven't had the chance to experience Romy's system. Of course I couldn't understand you completely. Anyhow after seeing what CD you brought to test I realize  the time I spent reading your posts was complete waste of time.

Some years back I new a guy who “practiced” audio whom I visited multiple times. He was relatively famous guy within audio internet word, very active online. He had a nice playback setup. That did follow most recent fashions of audio industry. How can described his installation? Well, put in this way: if a cost of installation has any correlation with dedication of owner to audio (it does not but I use it only as an example) then the cost of that guy installation was around 100K, whatever it means. So, the guy had 4 test CDs, he has TEST 4 CDs all his life and he was keep spinning them a few hours a day working on his system. He had more CD in his family room be he admitted that he never used them on his playback. Then he bought a nice TT setup and bough one test LP. That was all that the guy did in audio. I was always making fun about him. Nowadays we do not see each other, he sold his audio and I think he does a different hobby. With all absurdity of the situation I describe the guy was perfectly normal human being. There are very many people like him in audio. I use to get angry about them what I was doing audio full-time. As I become older I become much more tolerant and I just acknowledge the there is a ballast in audio and I do not have anger to them but rather pity.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 25
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It needs to be views in perspective.
 martinshorn wrote:
at DIYAUDIO.COM

Well. I disagree that digital has to be intrusive. 
I disagree that SSamps are too. 
I don’t want to see a ribbon tweeter or standard Subwoofer in my horn. 

I cant stand SET sound. It bores me to death. I need the fresh kick and dramatic punch of a dynamic SS AB amp. 

Reg. the digital i know that having all vinyl-tube chain, and plugging a really good ADDA in the chain that gives exactly 1:1 pass through, u cant hear a difference. Fact. You have to do it blind though  then everybody will fail distinguishing! I bet my *** on that. 
So everything that u “touch / eq / deform” within the 01010 part... is up to you. If this sounds bad, then u did something wrong. Likely vast majority does 

Even if it does touch a molecule, room modes, phase delay, unlinearity is by far more intrusive. Its like comparing that molecule with a galaxy.
  
Anthony, I think you do not understand it. I told about it before.  The visit was not doomed before Josh even knocked on my door and it was NOT a failure. It was a very successful visit and was perfectly prepared to deal with Josh’s reaction, in fact I was kind of looking forward to it a bit. I just was not prepared for two things: 
 
1)    That Josh will refuse to any accommodations to satisfy his sonic discomfort, while he was in my listening room. I always do it to my visitors, particularly not well audio-developed.  I want people feel in own zone of comfort within their sonic preferences and do not want my preferences to distract them. The most audio evolved people know how to tune themselves off from own audio preferences and the mist wonderful game take place: we listen each other playbacks, hearing the deviation from where we feel the sound should be and then try to understand what the system owner was trying to say by own differences, it is like reading somebody novel, very interesting. The unexperienced people, who not frequently come to my listening room, do not have this level of understanding and they are looking for equilibrium with their purely sonic comfort. It is the level #1 of sonic inelegance by Lechitsky’s classification or as I call it sometimes the level #0a. (Among all people you are among the few who know how perfect the multi-amping let to hsape any sound you want). Usually as I re-tune Macondo for my visitors to be happy with sound then I let them to discover that to not to be “disturbed” by playback is not the final audio objectives but very beginning. I have many people who discovered this fact in my listening room. I was not prepared that Josh refuse to go in there, the opportunities were there and everything that we are discussing how was discussing with Josh while he was here. I think his time did not come yet.  
 
2)    I was absolutely not prepared that Josh will be posting “review” at diyaudio.com site where I have no ways to express my views.  
 
Regarding the views Josh expressed about him liking this and disliking that. They are perfectly valid views and there is absolutely nothing in those views that I find defective. The problem that Josh does not have them. It is hard to understand. What he says or feel has no relativity to reality of sound. If you sit with him and asked him to pull a recording that demonstrate this or that his audio point of view, he will not understand what you mean. I actually did it with him and was w asking him multiple times “what doe it mean to you?” What he demonstrated was the very primitive level #0a and did not get any slightest idea that it might be anything else in there. It was like discussing with a life-long vegetarian some kind of very fine specific of taste of pork marinade…


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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