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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 181
Post ID: 21954
Reply to: 21952
If it is true....
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Aga, you clearly see a split in the image referred above it means that the midhorns are no single solid horizontal assembly but two separate units that were so unlucky positioned probably for the sake of photogenicism. Jonathan Valin In his write up stated that they equipped with four 16” drivers. If so then they are hardly horns but rather direct radiators as there is very little difference between trout and mouth. The horn loading in this topology happens at very high frequency, my estimation would be ~150Hz and then lower bass just shoved over everything. They usually are very unfortunately sounding decisions, the pro audio folks do it for years and there is no surprised that Cessaro used pop music for own demo and nothing else that LF section would not be good for. I personally very much would prefer they use an honest direct radiators without creating of that elaborate 1 tone feels-like-horn deception. 
 
However, the revelation that they use 2X16” drivers per side comes from Jonathan Valin who is certifiably idiot and he can run his mouth about anything with no punitive liability. The pearl that he dropped right there is his testimony for receiving the “Morons of the Month” award: 
 
“I fully realize that the charm of horns is not for all. Almost like single-driver speakers they get the initial transient and fundamental so right they can shock you with their realistic presence and immediacy, but perhaps because of their incomparable speed they don't always follow up on those super-realistic transients and fundamentals with equally lifelike harmonics.”
 



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
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Post #: 182
Post ID: 21956
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I thought...
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I thought it was a scaled down version of the Beethoven, Gamma II, Omega I bass horn but those have cleary a taller enclosure then the woofers cannot be positioned on the same fashion.

IIRC the Beethoven use also 4 16" woofers in total, Gamma II 8 and Omega I 12.

I believe this picture is from a Beethoven at production:

http://s206.photobucket.com/user/coopie_photo/media/image1_zpseacacb8e.jpg.html

EDIT: JBL Paragon

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Paragon_section.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NGFHnJ9xflc/Ul7kKJTz5lI/AAAAAAAAgIg/j04DVGxXFo0/s1600/jbl-p-010.JPG



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Exlibris
Canada
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Post #: 183
Post ID: 22030
Reply to: 21956
New to the site
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I'm new to the site and have had an interest in horn speakers since owning my first SET amplifier over 10 years ago.  I've heard about a dozen horn speakers at shows and private demonstrations but have never heard any that I could live with.  I'm currently using Audio Note AN-E/Spe-HE speakers and have had them for about 3 years.  Since I live in an apartment and am not a DIY'er my interest lies mostly with commercial horn speakers.  
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xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
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Post #: 184
Post ID: 22032
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Some options.
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You may want to take a look on: 

Tune Audio Anima:

http://tuneaudio.com/
http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&postID=12129#12129

GIP 9700A System:

http://www.gip-laboratory.com/
http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=16210

DC10Audio GOTTENBURG ODIN:

http://www.dc10audio.com
http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=21950

Those are for very different budgets and you can also take a look on Cessaro.

http://www.cessaro-horn-acoustics.com

Regards.
Alex.



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Exlibris
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Post #: 185
Post ID: 22034
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
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Post #: 186
Post ID: 22047
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Blumenhofer Acoustics
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@Exlibris

You can also take a look on Blumenhofer:

http://www.blumenhofer-acoustics.com



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Exlibris
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Post #: 187
Post ID: 22049
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Gioia?
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Have you heard any of their top speakers like the gioia?
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xandcg


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Post #: 188
Post ID: 22050
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No.
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No, I wasn't heard they big speakers but ever if I had I would advise you to really do it by yourself than consider opinions of others. Unless, of course, you really know the person and the person taste.

You can contact them directly, they are responsive (I talked with them at once) and they also do custom builds. In the case you are considering, the Wiki one needs a *very* big room.

If you are interested, I think they use field coil drivers from Wolf von Langa.

http://wolfvonlanga.com/

Blumenhofer is located in Germany, somewhere in Baviera IIRC.



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Exlibris
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Thanks
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I contacted them Friday and may hear from them Monday 
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Exlibris
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Post #: 190
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Others
fiogf49gjkf0d
No word from Blumenhofer yet.
What about the various loudspeakers with conical horns available from Oswald's Mill; has anyone heard these?
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Corallus
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Post #: 191
Post ID: 22490
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Viva Audio
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I think this is something new... Or not?
http://vivaaudio.com/en/products/master-horn/
http://www.monoandstereo.com/2015/10/viva-audio-master-horn-system-review.html

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  »  New  Speakers: a hi-fi disaster...  Good writing, T......  Audio Discussions  Forum     22  133090  01-16-2005
  »  New  The “Dead Points of Live Sound”..  Confused...  Playback Listening  Forum     28  211172  05-14-2005
  »  New  About Wilson Audio Loudspeakers..  Nagra HD?...  Audio Discussions  Forum     53  250678  10-05-2005
  »  New  The IDEAL horn system..  The future of loudspeakers according to Lynn Olson....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     15  107398  12-11-2005
  »  New  Magico: Robert Harley’s upperbass mouth...  Surprisingly interesting write up by Federated Mike abo...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     35  224324  02-19-2006
  »  New  Adding one more spherical to Macondo...  It is about magnet and SS type....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     92  706241  05-23-2006
  »  New  Dream Hi-Eff Speakers for an “inmate”...  Re: An average audio person has no opportunity......  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     3  40206  07-03-2006
  »  New  Srajan, 6Moons, sex industry and sapphire horns..  Unless the objective is .......  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     4  47861  07-11-2006
  »  New  Tweeter for Vitavox S2. High-sensitively ribbons?..  Correction: Townshend Ribbon and sensitivity....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     64  619741  10-19-2006
  »  New  My subject of envy to audio manufacturers...  It would be fun to have somebody to pay for it…...  Audio Discussions  Forum     2  18686  02-12-2007
  »  New  German Odeon horns...  How would I play with Odeons…the murky water....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     13  107365  04-01-2007
  »  New  An Interview With Dr. Bruce Edgar..  An Interview With Dr. Bruce Edgar...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     0  55242  07-10-2007
  »  New  First Order on Bass channels: Designed for Sound..  Bass from a vented box......  Audio Discussions  Forum     16  93820  07-20-2007
  »  New  Macondo's Axioms: Horn-loaded acoustic systems..  No wonder...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     72  407133  07-29-2007
  »  New  Jessie Dazzle Project..  Will this better to be auditable?...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     172  1141316  08-03-2007
  »  New  A DSET is better then an expensive SET..  DIY Stradivarius...  Audio For Dummies ™  Forum     41  253102  09-21-2007
  »  New  Festival “Son & Image” in Montreal..  Well......  Audio Discussions  Forum     17  87116  03-16-2008
  »  New  Explain TAD ET-703 driver to me..  Horns in practice...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     13  83676  10-16-2008
  »  New  Living Voice Loudspeaker..  A Polish Infomercial from Kevin Scott....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     80  438868  08-09-2009
  »  New  Engaging the David Haigner’s ideas..  The degree of disagreement correction...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     7  60748  08-30-2009
  »  New  The European Triode Festival’s horns..  Assholes, learn from Grande Castine...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     47  382519  12-13-2007
  »  New  Greek Anima Loudspeakers..  I wish the TuneAudio stay with whatever subs they do....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     32  134499  11-03-2009
  »  New  A new kid in the block: Sadurni Acoustics..  Axpona 2015...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     21  82552  08-22-2011
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