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Amir
Iran
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Post ID: 9913
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Carbon Interconnect
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van den hul maked a full carbon interconnect that it's name is "the first".
Is there any idea about his approach?
It seems in some area carbon can respond good to micro information.
regards
Amir


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drdna
San Francisco, California
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Post ID: 9915
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Experience with the First Van den Hul interconnect
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 Amir wrote:
van den hul maked a full carbon interconnect that it's name is "the first".
I listened to this cable for a while in my system when it was first produced a number of years ago. It overcomes many of the physical limitations imposed by the use of metallic conductors, although it has its own constraints. It is practical in short runs, and has an excellent price/performance ratio.

The sound is superb. It avoids the characteristic colorations of metallic wire, yielding an extremely neutral presentation with lots of detail.

I started making my own cables and interconnects, so I do not use commercial products any more. However, if I had to use a commercially manufactured product, "the First" would be at the top of my list.

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Amir
Iran
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Post ID: 9916
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Van den hul the second
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I have "the second" and i'm familiar with limitation if carbon cables but i really think carbon could be a good approach for making good cable.
it seems if we spend time for developing carbon interconnect it can give us good result in a match system.
the most important thing about it is avoiding hardening music texture and keeping it's soul in my idea.
Amir


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05-09-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
ArmAlex
Iran
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Joined on 02-15-2009

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Post ID: 10472
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Making cabels
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Dear drdna, would you please give us some info about your cables, as I'm tired of seeing $10000000000000 cables which in fact the cost of material is $0.00000000001!
Armen
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drdna
San Francisco, California
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Making cables
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Hard to generalize, since different cables should be made differently for different applications and different goals.  If you tell me specifically what you are trying to do, I might be able to make some suggestions.  For some general ideas, though, I would suggest reading this tutorial:

http://www.laventure.net/tourist/cables.htm


and think about buying this book:


http://vacuumstate.com/index.tpl?rubrik=1&kat=6&sku=7&lay=art2&lang=2&a=%25EC%253C%25A8U%259B%255D%2587%255B&b=733901.8089873361
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ArmAlex
Iran
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Post ID: 10489
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Cables
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Dear Drdna, I red with interest about your experience in cables would you please give us more info. As I 'm sure many audiophiles are tired of spending $10000000000
for cables which actual  material cost are $0.00000000000001!
Armen
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post ID: 10490
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What is it all about?
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Armen, your notion that pricy cables might cost nothing and that it is a bad thing is absolutely bogus in my view.  I do not have need to argue this point but I think you might view into the subject deeper. Higher cost is paid for assurance to have off a shelf guaranteed result of targeted demand. The actual cost of a product is irrelevant, not to mention how much it cost to manufacture the thing.

I hope people who read/post at this site understand the difference between a “product” as an industry item and a “solution” as satisfaction of demands. Sure, it is good to make you own cables but if your objectives are just to pay less then you do it for wrong reasons. There is tone of cheeps cables out there that cost virtually nothing…

If you do have specific objective in cables (something that I do not think you do) then good luck to meet them with you custom cables. Do not forget to multiply the amount of hours you will invest into your Cable Projects to you normal billable rate and you will have an idea how much your new cable cost you.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
05-16-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
ArmAlex
Iran
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Post ID: 10518
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Cables
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Dear Romy, You got me wrong I perfectly know that value of many things are not the sum of materials which they are made of, otherwise you could buy Mona Lisa for
couple of bucks. The point I tried to say is usually cable manufacturers-and others in audio industry-generally charge too high for their products.
Regarding low priced cables, low price is a guarantee for low quality but I think you would agree high price  isn't a guarantee for good sound either.
My objective is not low price of course but at the same time I'm not willing to pay $5000 for an interconnect.
And regarding the time one must spend to make a cable, we already spend a lot of time to listen to good sound just use the formula you suggested for calculating cable price for
the time you-and whoever cares for good sound-to speaker placement alone.

Armen
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ArmAlex
Iran
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Post #: 9
Post ID: 10520
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Cables
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Dear Romy, What is your opinion about silver cables drdna suggested (http://www.laventure.net/tourist/cables.htm)

Armen
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