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clarkjohnsen
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It was seventy years ago today in Moscow that the premier of...

...Peter and the Wolf took place.

Thirteen years later Eleanor Roosevelt made her musical debut as the narrator in its premier recording with The Boston Symphony. ("My deaaahhh children!)

clark

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Romy the Cat


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“Peter and the Wolf” as a mirror...

Yep, that Koussevitsky’s recording was fun, which brings another prospective to the entire Prokofiev's saga. Sixty years ago we had political leaders who has some exposure to the cultural feel of our country. I wonder what cultural/musical heritage the psychotic white-trashes that conquested our Wight House nowadays would be able to leave?  The previous administration left a wonderful recording of the very same “Peter and the Wolf”.  In 2003 the Russian National Orchestra lead by Kent Nogano recorded the Prokofiev tale with Sophia Loren, Bill Clinton and Mikhail Gorbachev. Bill Clinton reading the wolf was hilarious but it is very much not a comedy: they all did a very-very good job. The today’s dirt from Washington, I am sure, will also leave their own version of the Prokofiev's work. I think they will rename it as “The Imbecile and a Camel”…

Rgsm
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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clarkjohnsen
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Your imbecile politic statements make laugh!
"I wonder what cultural/musical heritage the psychotic white-trashes that conquested our Wight House nowadays would be able to leave?"

"Our Wight house nowadays" has Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, pianist extraordinaire, who just last year played a Brahms recital in Washington, to excellent notices.

"Whatever else she is to political supporters and opponents, Ms. Rice may be the most prominent amateur musician in the world right now, which is big news for classical music." -- Tony Tommassini, New York Times 

Earlier she collaborated with Yo Yo Ma in the Library of Congress..

She has her own chamber group!

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/arts/music/09tomm.html?ex=1302235200&en=9b7986206bf57c24&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

George Bush has attended her concerts, and did not fall asleep -- as John Kennedy did when Jackie had Pablo Casals in for a recital.

You see, when your eyes become shot red with hate, you become blind to reality.

clark
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Romy the Cat


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The music in the Bush's brain.
Clark,

nope, my eyes are red because of the Reality. The polite guys - well educated Nazi officers - very much loved to play piano and discuss the details of the fine arts, particularly after a fresh kill of a few hundred people. It was a nice stimulation for the Brahms. The bitch Condoleeza Rice is the subject of the very same consciousness as the entire Bush administration….

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Gregm
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With all due respect, Clarkjohnsen,

rather than quote part of what Mr Tommassini (no doubt an excellent man) wrote in a journal, it would be interesting to have your personal take on the matter (of "reality" as it were)...

Is it that the pianist in Ms Rice, being now a Minister, will be better able to help promote music -- given the wider awareness she has as a member of a government and the apparent interest of her President (as you note), etc?
Or...?

Just out of curiosity. Cheers

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skushino
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Unreal politik
Gregm -

Why would it be so interesting to have Clark's personal take on the matter? 

This thread just took a turn towards Outside in AA.  Actually it's pretty entertaining watching a group of audio geeks pontificate about politics.  Hilarious.

Glad this is the one and only example of political drivel at Good Sound Club.  I'm a reader because this is a pure site dedicated to audio and music.  I hope it remains this way.

scott
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clarkjohnsen
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Re: Unreal politik
"Why would it be so interesting to have Clark's personal take on the matter?"

That's easy!

Because Clark's an interesting dude with a wideranging interest in music and a realistic eye turned towards politics.  And when he sees a musician or a politician (or a publisher...) insulted wrongly, he jumps to the defense.

But see how this gets perverted? Not enough to claim "the White House has no culture"; when it turns out they do, the Nazis are nastily mentioned. Thus it escalates into an Outside type uproar -- which is where I bow out.

clark
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skushino
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Keep Outside outside
Clark-

No doubt you're an interesting dude.  You're one of the few people I enjoy reading, especially when it comes to music.  But when it comes to politics, we're amateurs with opinions.  And there's enough of that on (CNN, Fox, Google, etc.) 

On Tuesday I went to a lecture by Dinesh D'Souza.  Regardless of your politics, he is certifiably brilliant.  He was the senior domestic policy advisor for Reagan at age 32.  His positions aren't relevant to this subject, but his skill at articulating himself, within the context of government, showed clearly the gap between a pro and the dilettantes.

For perspective, imagine a bunch of government policy wonks debating audio as art.  It would be pretty funny.

scott
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Romy the Cat


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Re: Some poetry?

Hm, I have no problems with the AA’ss Outside. I have problems with any single forum out there that that intend or pretend to be on the subject. Anyhow, making my “political statements” I did not mean politic as it commonly understood but rather politic as one of the manifestations of methods and results. Politic as much as music, as much as anything else are not purposes but tools. Tools for something else, more important. Still music, as much as politick “might” indicate, or more precisely I would say - symbolize, the progress in that - “something else”.

I did find that a trip a few years ago, watching Hitler’s painting was very enlightening and educational. He was a promising pianist in his childhood and I would lalso ike to hear his recordings if they were available. Would I accept a playing, a written book, a painting, or any sight of artistic impressionism from Jorge Bush with the same attitude with which I was approaching the Hitler’s artworks? Unquestionably, even worth. Hitler was a developed evil, witch grew out from circumstances. Bush is an evil of organized, structured and the subject of self-awared evil consciousness. Bush, along with his entire machinery are in a way are hostages of that evil consciousness, but since one conforms to it than the metastases of brain virus become a permanent identify of the conaminated mind....

Obviously I am very jaded. Some people would approach Hitler’s artwork with expectations to see the revelations of the brightest and the most humane person ever lived. The talented bitch Condoleeza Rice does feel that her boss is the smartest and the noblest politicians she ever seem. Do I care about her musical talents while she destroys my country and whale I’m paying her salary? Not a chance!

So far the only peace of artwork that I have seen from that White House dirt was the poem that children from Louisiana “supposedly composed” for his President and that the sung for him at the White House Easter Egg Roll:  (this is not joke)

“Our country’s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!”

If a person, listening this crap, particularly after his legacy, would not kill himself then I do not know what would help him. I have lived in a county where that poetry and those “leaders” were a routine, thanks, not wiling anymore...

In the end, the today’s White House does have some harmonies. Probably the last movement of the Shostakovich’s Fifths symphony comes to mind…

Rgs,
Romy the caT


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Gregm
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(Un)real politik... would be if suddenly politicos helped make classical music super TRENDY
Scott asks:

"Why would it be so interesting to have Clark's personal take on the matter? "

Only because it's less uninteresting (if you will) than the opinion of Mr T he quoted. I have virtual acquaintance with Clark and not with T.
And of course, because he's a great guy, etc, and has naturally curly hair Smile

As you correctly imply, this is hardly a major issue...

On a more musical note (but within the Nazi era): there's rumour that the 1944 live Siemens stereo recording of Beet 5 piano with Rother (Gieseking, p/ Orch of 3rd Reich) was in fact conducted by Furt.
Anyone know if this is anything more than speculation -- just out of curiosity.

Cheers


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