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Posted by Romy the Cat on
03-08-2007
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According to my London contact the British miniatures Fane Acoustic is gone to dark. The remaining inventory was scraped by Eminence and the Fane is no more.
Over the years Fane made some interning things: guitar cone drivers, compression drivers, ribbon drivers, plasma drivers, some of their product even sounded good…
I discovered Fane what I was looking a better driver for Avantgarde Trios bass horns. The Fane Studio 8M was an absolutely direct replacement of the default Avantgarde driver but it had orders of magnitude more superior tone.
It is sad that Fane became a “vintage” company. Rgs, the Cat
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Posted by hornspeakers on
03-08-2007
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romy
what driver is avantgarde using in their trio mid-bass horn ?
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Posted by Romy the Cat on
03-08-2007
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On another note: Angeloitacare, why do you do it? This is a third time you create a alien account at this site and impersonate your as a different poster. It is not that I or anybody else particularly cares but in context of everything else I find it disturbing. I have no idea WHY you keep doing it. Pease do not do it again or you will loose any public access to this site. It is the last time I am taking to you. Rgs,
Romy the Cat
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Posted by jessie.dazzle on
03-26-2007
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I was very sorry to learn that Fane has closed up shop.
Their very client-oriented service was totally out of time, even for England.
About a year ago, expecting a big "NO" for an answer, they actually agreed to fire up the "assembly line" (?) and make a single pair of drivers that had long since gone out of production, asking me if I wanted the coils wound for 8Ω or 16Ω! The drivers arrived three weeks later, and cost the same as the then current replacement production model.
No surprise they have become a vintage company.
I have noticed that the English are often the best in the creation of products which requre the balancing of numerous compromises. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, it does not appear that this talent translates to the balancing of compromises inherent in running a business.
jd*
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Posted by Romy the Cat on
06-14-2007
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BTW, in the end of it’s live Fane tied to do flat loudspeakers. The try to convince that it was not the computer-grade but the real deal. Conceptually, if it properly implemented (a big opened question) then the flat design might be very interesting or at least educational. Did anyhow ever heard the Fane flat speakers if a more or less lucid environment?
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Posted by Wojtek on
02-13-2008
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I have uneasy feeling that you did , haven't seen any other fane 8M for sale in months anywhere .
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Posted by mark on
02-14-2008
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why the uneasy feeling is there a problem with tom umney?i was ready to try to source another driver and he contacted me arranged shipping etc.
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Posted by Wojtek on
02-14-2008
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So you're the guy from Florida willing to pay premium for FANe and undercutting my deal. I originally bought them from him and was waiting for shipping and instead got this:
"Went to try order a courier today for the Fane Studio 8M's and the stupid service has changed their price which came to £49.99 to send that weight[12kg] from the UK to USA.
And when I thought that was bad enough, VAT got smacked on the total bill, so thought forget it. Plus I need 3 invoices for customs to be signed at my post office which aint near, a big headache.
Which comes to about £67 inc the vat. Which I doubt you would give me the extra.
So returning you the money. Wish I never said I would send to the USA, I knew there would be some messup like that.
And it's given me an even bigger headache as I've still got them, so stuck them on ebay.co.uk now.
I guess I was stupid to agree, as I originally said within the UK only.
Anyway I don't want to con anyone, so sending the £73 back now.
Check your paypal, just this minute sent you the £73 back.
Sorry If I kind of messed you around, but I wasn't that keen on the idea of sending them to the USA as I knew there would be problems. But as I'm kind, I tried my best.
I wish the stupid courier[ parcel2go] would give a fixed price including VAT and update their stupid page. <image.tiff>
Ain't ever gonna try using them again.
I looked into other couriers like interparcel, but that too came to around £70 inc the vat for shipping from uk to usa.
Plus needs the stupid 3, why 3 lol, invoices for customs that have to be signed at my post office, nearest one is a few miles away.
Hope you find better luck in the future, better to buy from someone or ebay within your country I say. Or problems like this might happen."
Funny how little this world is.
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Posted by jessie.dazzle on
02-14-2008
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Wojtek wrote :
"...haven't seen any other fane 8M for sale in months anywhere..."
I just checked and found a pair of 8Ms on eBay... item numbers : 310021284113 And : 310023127933
(I hate it when a pair is broken up over two separate listings!).
You should have no problem getting them through to the US, I send stuff there (from France) all the time... Just use DHL.
These are 8Ω models; not sure if that's what you want. Back when Fane were still in business, I ordered a pair in 16Ω (I don't know if there is a theoretical best choice between the two for horn loading... Any thoughts ? However, the 8Ω model will require a smaller coil in the crossover, which in this case is good news).
I am not at all set on using the Fane drivers in my upper bass horns... I've been experimenting with a bunch of AlNiCo drivers, and have found one that is more sensitive, goes lower, and has to my ear a less "dry" tone than the 8Ms... However, all testing so far has been done with the rear chambers open (been moving to another house, so have not yet had the time to make the sealing covers). Once the rear chamber volume is properly tuned, the 8Ms may come out on top.
jd*
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Posted by jessie.dazzle on
02-14-2008
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The title of my previous post should have read 8Ms 8Ωs... The omega sign got changed to a "O" once posted.
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Posted by Romy the Cat on
02-14-2008
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 jessie.dazzle wrote: | | Back when Fane were still in business, I ordered a pair in 16Ω (I don't know if there is a theoretical best choice between the two for horn loading... Any thoughts ? However, the 8Ω model will require a smaller coil in the crossover, which in this case is good news). |
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It does not really matter what impedance would it be 16R or 8R. I went for 16R because a few reasons. The 16R Fane 8M in +6dB horn has the identical sound pressure level as the Vitavox S2 driver with plastic suspended cone. Do not forget that I discovered Fane 8M in 2000 when it replaced the AG Trios upper bass driver and at that time I used Lamm 2.0 to drive all my upper channels. Also, I had no control over the Lamm’s output transformer ratio and therefore I it generally feel that higher impedance for load is better for SET operation. Theoretically if I still use one SET without going multiamping then in order to drive different impedance channels and at the same time to moderate load and gain I would go for one large transformer with many-many section and I would take different combination of sections for each channels…
| jessie.dazzle wrote: | | I am not at all set on using the Fane drivers in my upper bass horns... I've been experimenting with a bunch of AlNiCo drivers, and have found one that is more sensitive, goes lower, and has to my ear a less "dry" tone than the 8Ms... However, all testing so far has been done with the rear chambers open (been moving to another house, so have not yet had the time to make the sealing covers). Once the rear chamber volume is properly tuned, the 8Ms may come out on top. |
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Can you tell me what they are? I played with a few 8-inchesr as well, the alternative to Fane, we could compare notices….
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Posted by Wojtek on
02-14-2008
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but I'm not going to compete with "S2 people "
Following recommendation of John Hasquin I ordered B&C 21EP8 -16 . I'm cured form Fane for a time being and don't have S2 but "obsolete " altec 288c 24 Ohm on 400Hz horn . I was counting on happy coincidence of level matching between upper midbass (hard to call midbass 80cm ,204 hz Azura horn with planned extension to 4") and midrange. Fane is 3dB more efficient than B&C.
Regards, Wojciech
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Posted by jessie.dazzle on
02-14-2008
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Thanks for the thoughts on driver impedence.
Romy le Cat wrote :
"... I discovered Fane 8M in 2000 when it replaced the AG Trios upper bass driver and at that time I used Lamm 2.0 to drive all my upper channels..."
Do I understand correctly : AG used Fane 8Ms in the Trios upper bass horn?
"... Also, I had no control over the Lamm’s output transformer ratio and therefore I generally feel that higher impedance for load is better for SET operation..."
This was my logic as well (currently using ML2s).
"...Can you tell me what they are? I played with a few 8-inchesr as well, the alternative to Fane, we could compare notices…"
Yes of course, but first I would like to locate and buy a second one (I currently have only one). They are not easy to find, and I don't want to make it any more difficult.
jd*
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Posted by Romy the Cat on
02-14-2008
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| jessie.dazzle wrote: | | Do I understand correctly: AG used Fane 8Ms in the Trios upper bass horn? |
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Oh, no! AG in Trio’s upperbass horn used similar 8” driver with 103 sensitivity. That driver was bad and it made me to look for a replacement. Lucky me, the Fane 8M was a drop-in replacement. I initially was attracted to Fane 8M because it had high sensitivity, no excursion and 85Hz resonance – a perfect match for my need… I was buying them from Ian who ran Nighfire Technology, he use to sell the pro drivers in UK. I think he is out of business already. BTW, the AG used open back in their upperbass horn. I was trying to build there a back chamber but failed as the AG upperbass horn was to flimsy…
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Posted by mark on
02-15-2008
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when i was having trouble sourcing fane 8m,i started searching for other alternatives.i figured well why not contact emminence.i questioned them if they could build fane 8m 16 ohm.they have a minimum 50 pc. order.anthony lucas suggested i check out their stock Delta Pro-8B 16 ohm.it retails for 85$ each.i did not compare all specs, sensitivity is rated at 99db,but he mentions that published specs of this type are sometimes inflated by others,i thought maybe romy if this is interesting to you that obviously you are far more qualified to make judgements in this subject.now if that stock driver is not worth trying or if trialed and fails,i think that emminence is capable of doing a custom driver that meets or exceeds what fane is capable of(especially if custom tailored for the application).if it looks promising i might be willing to organize the funding for a 50 pc. lot.i am quite sure there maybe 20 or so people willing to buy a pair if the price is reasonable.what do you think romy?anyone else out there interested.and jessie what about that driver you were talking about?
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Posted by Romy the Cat on
02-15-2008
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The Delta Pro-8B looks like a very fine driver, in fact on the paper it is even better then Fane (with exception of sensitivity and inductance) The problem is that no one knows how this driver will sound until it is loaded into a specific horn, no one expires counts in this. Get a regular stock version and experiment with it. I have seen some drivers from table radio or automobile speakers sounded well in horns. You never know. Trying it was how I discovered for the world the Fane 8M, I am sure there is something even better out there. I have no plans to experiment more with upperbass drivers, particularly since I discover the Injection techniques. If I ever decide in future to play with some other drivers in my upper bass then, c considering the I multi-amp, I will load my upperbass horn with LF portion of Tannoy Red driver. My horn has a provision to install a 10-incher.
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Posted by Wojtek on
02-16-2008
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| mark wrote: | | when i was having trouble sourcing fane 8m,i started searching for other alternatives.i figured well why not contact emminence.i questioned them if they could build fane 8m 16 ohm.they have a minimum 50 pc. order.anthony lucas suggested i check out their stock Delta Pro-8B 16 ohm.it retails for 85$ each.i did not compare all specs, sensitivity is rated at 99db,but he mentions that published specs of this type are sometimes inflated by others,i thought maybe romy if this is interesting to you that obviously you are far more qualified to make judgements in this subject.now if that stock driver is not worth trying or if trialed and fails,i think that emminence is capable of doing a custom driver that meets or exceeds what fane is capable of(especially if custom tailored for the application).if it looks promising i might be willing to organize the funding for a 50 pc. lot.i am quite sure there maybe 20 or so people willing to buy a pair if the price is reasonable.what do you think romy?anyone else out there interested.and jessie what about that driver you were talking about? |
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Tell Emminence to put the Fane M8 sticker on it and sell it on E-Bay as an original . Nothing which man of integrity wouldn't do for fellow audiophiles.
Cheers, W
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Posted by mark on
02-18-2008
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I am tracking down some pretty solid leads for genuine fane recone kits for studio 8M and 10B 16 ohm.just thought i would get this out there,might be useful for someone who would like to convert 8 ohm to 16 ohm or for safety longterm backup.i am sure what ever i find,they will not be available too much longer
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Posted by Romy the Cat on
05-03-2008
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It keep going and going…
A few years back Fane closed down the done but it looks like they are back. The new website is constantly updated and the new product lines are introduced. I think when Fane went out of business last year then I think Eminence took them over. I do not know if the “new” Fane is the Eminence’s enterprise of juts a new revision of Fane. Anyhow, the Studio 8M driver is not there…
http://www.fane-acoustics.com/
Rgs, Romy the Cat
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Posted by decoud on
05-04-2008
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The company address is the same as that for Precision Devices....
http://www.precision-devices.com/
...whose 10 incher (http://www.precision-devices.com/showdetails.asp?id=71) may have to do for those of us trying to build a upper bass horn without a Studio 8M...
Note also that they do bespoke stuff, provided one can justify 50 pieces. Surely there are enough people in this forum who would be interested....
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