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Topic: It Works With Higher and Low Frequencies?

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Posted by Romy the Cat on 01-30-2025

Posted by Paul S on 01-31-2025

Plenty to chew on in your LF video, Romy. It almost sounds like you just, finally, came to the conclusion that LF takes “serious power”. An early audio guru of mine knew several people involved with changing out theater and “venue” sound systems in greater LA at that time. Altec/JBL were the go-to systems there, and even way back then they knew they needed more power to keep up with changing film sound tracks, and they moved continuously in that direction for many years. I have read in Heritage forums that JBL wanted to stick with tube amps, X/O’s, etc., for “better sound”, but it appeared to me at the time that they couldn’t go to SS quickly enough. As for the speaker drivers, I have said around here for a long time now that they were redesigned repeatedly to handle more power without distorting or blowing up. Were sonics compromised by beefing up the drivers and going to SS? Sure, of course, some aspects of sound took a few steps backward. To say it as a non-sequitur, in keeping with one’s sense of this conundrum, “Compromise is de rigueur” with audio. We as home hi-fi people will probably make different compromises than theater or reinforcement systems, depending on what we prioritize. However, if we are planning for Big Music from frequencies below 50 Hz, then we need to take a look at actual response curves of LF drivers under consideration. There is no substitute for appropriate listening, but why not narrow ones search to plausible contenders, in the first place? Again, a given driver’s “efficiency” is only relevant in the context of its physical and electrical environment. In practical terms, there are no “106 dB efficient (direct radiator) woofers”, because those drivers are nowhere near that efficient in the actual pass band, not to mention in-circuit effects of reactive X/Os. Also, older, better-sounding drivers “compress” and distort quickly as one tries to push them down in frequency and up in volume. It sucks, but there you are. Like I have said for years, please, someone, tell me about an SET-driven 15” woofer in a sealed box that can put out Big Music 40 Hz (with no support below it…). A 15” in a sealed box is the sure-fire route to good-sounding 50 Hz, although even that will take some power, if the driver can take it. Romy, you have said you have not tried at all to work with ported LF, and this is fine. But you sound like I used to when I panned horns for “horn sound” based on my time spent listening to A7s and similar “pushed” installations. It has been a long time since you talked about your own horns, but one look at them tells a story to anyone who has spent time with horns. They are not chosen from or run like the stock PA line-up. Back to LF, I heard the part about injecting processed sound, but by the end of your talk it sounded to me like you are back to a 5-way system? I agree that a 4-way system involves compromise for FR. I have detailed my own compromises while discussing my system. I very much envy your access to per-driver amp loading (what a boon to system development!), but that really requires the big horns, as well, and I doubt I will ever take that long, long road.
 
Best regards,
Paul S

Posted by Romy the Cat on 01-31-2025
I think you missed, or not express not strongly enough, the main point of my message. And the main point of my message was that a low frequency section not necessarily need to be powered by just a plan signal that cannot be reproduced by main speakers. As I custom dial-in harmonics envelope for my individual channel by loading output stages, in a very same way low frequency section should have your own custom requirements for different type of harmonics. What good for 500 HZ is not good for 50 hertz or for 30 hearts. Could you please intentional do not give instructions what to do but from what I observe and experience it's need to be a custom tuned signal fat to low frequency sections.

Posted by Paul S on 01-31-2025
It seems like brewing up some special kind of soup to feed MF and HF to "sound how we like" requires a topology that supports that process. Using Big Music as an example, is it really possible to brew up something for LF that has less actual LF as "a substitute for real LF"? Well, I am certainly doing something like this now, in the sense that no one would mistake my LF for a live symphony orchestra. I will stay tuned.

Paul S

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