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Topic: We compensate for voice innately

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Posted by rowuk on 08-02-2014
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http://soundexpert.org/encoders
Digital is here to stay whether we like it or not.

Posted by steverino on 08-03-2014
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Digital may be here to stay. I won't argue that nor do I care. But does that mean MP3 down to MP0.3 is here to stay?? I say it's just spinach and I won't eat it. So there.

Posted by Romy the Cat on 08-03-2014
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I sent the link to the page above to the audio guy I know and in his response he dropped an absolutely brilliant pearl

“For John Cage's silent masterpiece, then 320 kBPS MP3 is adequate. Otherwise, the only solution for MP3 is the off switch.  And the inventor of MP3, JJ, has pretty much admitted as such.  MP3 is OK for voice, not for music, IMO.  In other words, MP3 for propaganda, not art.”

Posted by steverino on 08-03-2014
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I don't even accept the caveat really. People have special (neurological) processing of voice and speech compared with non vocal sounds. Thus even aurally compromised voice communicates more than musical instruments would under like circumstances. The only thing MP3 is good for is unfamiliar music sampling. It is good enough that you can distinguish whether something is likely to be sonically ok or miserable in its lossless state.

Posted by Romy the Cat on 08-04-2014
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 steverino wrote:
I don't even accept the caveat really. People have special (neurological) processing of voice and speech compared with non vocal sounds. Thus even aurally compromised voice communicates more than musical instruments would under like circumstances. The only thing MP3 is good for is unfamiliar music sampling. It is good enough that you can distinguish whether something is likely to be sonically ok or miserable in its lossless state.
Well, when in beginning 90s MP3 was invented then it was pretty much a playground how to apply the concepts of perceptual coding to sound delivery system in condition of limited bandwidth. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it and we have to be gratefully that MP3 was made as it is a great tool for music sampling, nothing else. We need to understand that the AES people who did it were not so great in recognizing of cultural, esthetical and many other aspects of music and they scrutinized the results from perspective of regular electricians. I was told that they were sitting in labs and endlessly were listening the Suzanne Vega's song "Tom’s Diner" trying to make it to "sound nice" for them. That was the depth  of methodology they used. I do know a number of AES people and from musical perspective they most of the time are Morons and I would not allow them to touch anything but fuses in my house. Go to listen the "Tom’s Diner" and you get the idea how primitive the objectives were.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

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